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Title: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on June 02, 2010, 07:13:19 AM
Hey Bevin, here is some motivation for you:

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2265590

This guy is swapping a S2000 into a 1967 Honda S800
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/B0ZWELL/DSCF1184.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/B0ZWELL/DSCF1179.jpg)

Dude, you think your MGB is small, look at this S800 compared to a, WHAT, that is a CRX??
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/B0ZWELL/DSCF1119.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on June 02, 2010, 07:19:04 AM
S2000 6-speed transmission (right):
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/B0ZWELL/DSCF1406.jpg)

Shifter detail:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/B0ZWELL/DSCF1409.jpg)

S2000 trans a tight fit:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/B0ZWELL/DSCF1411.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on June 02, 2010, 07:19:22 AM
This could be your MGB:

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/B0ZWELL/DSCF4291.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on June 02, 2010, 07:20:09 AM
Wow, check out this, S2000 next to a Honda S600:

(http://images.motortrend.com/features/112_0708_02z+honda_s600_honda_s2000+front_view.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on June 02, 2010, 07:21:42 AM
Is this your MGB GT?

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7749/delsols2ks600ge3.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on June 02, 2010, 07:27:22 AM
Bevin,

Regarding rear axles, here is a guy who is running a shortened 8" HILUX AXLE!! in his S800

(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8895/cimg5252rf1.jpg)

(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6803/cimg5259eo5.jpg)

(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/388/cimg5265do7.jpg)

Those brackets can be purchased off of eBay already fab'd up as a universal kit. Here are a couple examples:

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/B0ZWELL/c72e_1.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t27/B0ZWELL/8bb1_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on June 05, 2010, 11:38:28 PM
You'll never make fun of Fix It Again Tony's again
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on June 07, 2010, 11:57:47 PM
Wow that little x19 is so cool need to make some inquire about the  frame mods to support the mid engine in the MG that looks very good. Blower would fit without changing front suspension  8) way to  8) cause its like truck with 35 inch bfgs old school against a one with 42 irocs NO comparison. it has to be sick right away sorry NOT..
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on June 08, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
Yeah well at least the truck with 35" BFGs can do Rubicon, Dusy, Swap, Coyote, Strawberry, West, Bald, Hammers, Mirror, Red, Coyote right now jump in and turn the key
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on August 19, 2010, 10:37:09 AM
K20 in a Cooper

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5573/minik1jk6.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on August 19, 2010, 10:42:06 AM
F20 in a Sprite

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/excessiveautosports/7ef2b128.jpg)

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/excessiveautosports/IMG_0198.jpg)

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/excessiveautosports/IMG_0199.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on August 19, 2010, 10:43:52 AM
2JZ Swap

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g51/ilikefireworks23/cars/2849_medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on August 21, 2010, 11:03:56 AM
If they can fit this, then you can fit a S2000 engine with noooooooooooo problem

(http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Images-V15-2/Supercharger-N.jpg)

(http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Images-V15-2/BillJacobson-AA.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BryanH on August 21, 2010, 12:17:23 PM
I thought the F20C would look huge in an early Sprite... it doesn't.

2JZ swap...  ;D
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on September 19, 2010, 07:44:30 AM
THE F20 SEEMS TO MORPH!. Anywhere you put it but that rover v8 looks very nice also the replacement parts are prob not so cheep!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on September 22, 2010, 10:12:39 PM
Last Wednesday I went up to Bevin's house to kick-start his motivation with this project. The two of us cleaned out his MG and Bevin got to sit in the drivers seat for the first time EVER. He has owned the car for NINE YEARS and has not once sat in it yet. Hopefully this gets him going with it!!

On to the pics!

If you check the pic in the top banner, you'll notice his car served as a storage shelf. So the first thing we did was take all the stuff off the top of the car

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3741Custom.jpg)

Check out the sweet rollers the car is sitting on. MAN these are N-I-C-E!

Last registered in....

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3742Custom.jpg)

Some shots of the convertible roof

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3762Custom.jpg)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3744Custom.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on September 22, 2010, 10:14:44 PM
This brings back a lot of memories of my car 8)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3747Custom.jpg)

Hmmmmm yeah gonna need some work in here ;)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3748Custom.jpg)

The dash is pretty cool actually. I like it a lot

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3750Custom.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on September 22, 2010, 10:15:26 PM
And we began to clean...

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3751Custom.jpg)

and clean...

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3752Custom.jpg)

and clean some more

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3759Custom.jpg)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3761Custom.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on September 22, 2010, 10:18:13 PM
Check out the stock powerhouse

This is a twin cam 1.8 liter BMC engine 8) We're talking 87 HP @ 5,500rpm and 105 TQ @ 2500rpm WOOT!

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3757Custom.jpg)


Next it was time to start on the interior. W-o-w what a mess. The stock carpet was like some old 60's style shag'n carpet. Everyone really was doing drugs in the 60's & 70's :o

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3765Custom.jpg)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3767Custom.jpg)

The interior took the most amount of time to clean, and it was a lot of work. As a result, I didn't take many pics except for the large trash bag we completely filled up (this bag is a good 4-feet high!)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3770Custom.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on September 22, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Finally, here is the shot of the driver's side interior cleaned out (still have a lot to clean on the passenger's side)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3773Custom.jpg)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3774Custom.jpg)

There is some floor pan rust but it doesn't appear to be rusted through. At least not from first inspection. We'll have to do some grinding to figure out the extent of damage.

Here is another shot of the gauges. 6,000 RPM redline and 120 MPH on the speedo 8)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3763Custom.jpg)

Check this out, this is 1 of 2, yes 2 battery bays behind the seats. The car featured two 6-volt batteries, and the system is a Positive ground, meaning that all metal points on the chassis and body are a positive +12volts (opposite to what we have today)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3776Custom.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on September 22, 2010, 10:28:25 PM
And finally, the moment you've been waiting for:

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3779Custom.jpg)

BEVIN IS SITTING IN HIS MG!!!!!!!!

WOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!

CHECK THAT OUT!!

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3780Custom.jpg)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3782Custom.jpg)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3783Custom.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on September 22, 2010, 10:34:22 PM
At this point Bevin began making a bunch of car sounds as if he was 5 years old

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3786Custom.jpg)

Spit flew from his mouth of his mimicked the sound of a S2000 F20 powerplant

Here he is shifting through all 6 gears of the Honda transmission

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3791Custom.jpg)

Here he is checking out that blond in the red dress he just drove by

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3789Custom.jpg)

Here he is turning the A/C on

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3795Custom.jpg)

And finally, here he is tuning his radio to listen to some Cyndi Lauper

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3797Custom.jpg)

It looks great Bevin! GET ER DONE!!!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on October 02, 2010, 03:53:39 PM
This brings back a lot of memories of my car 8)

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/rakudasama/blane525/IMG_3747Custom.jpg)

Darrel's Mini Storage should have refunded you if your car was this bad!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on October 03, 2010, 10:13:27 PM
ooh baby lets get the word's off the net to one of Cindy's! songs. But meanwhile :) bring on some Olivia... Linda or Pat 8)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on October 06, 2010, 01:17:32 PM
I've got video proof of Blane525 at the Big Fresno Fair listening to Cyndi Lauper live!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 12, 2010, 01:30:15 PM
Only $1500 for a wrecked S2000 in Porkland

http://www.copart.com/c2/homeSearch.html?_eventId=getLot&execution=e1s4&lotId=22747430&returnPage=SEARCH_RESULTS
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 12, 2010, 02:39:17 PM
Cyndi Lauper!? Now that's my kind of woman!! Espicially after a visit from by buddy Mr. Walker, Johnny Walker! If his cousin Jack comes along, anything goes!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: STUPID FAST on November 19, 2010, 11:59:46 AM
ok bevin this is what you need, screw the f20c and the k-series motor, if i were to built a honda i would do this build, this is comparing the g23 built against a k24 vtec which is supposed to be the big boy of all honda motors now.  this is using 100% all stock honda parts interchangeable and will produce over 200++ hp and would be bad ass.  if you want to go mid-engine then look into doing a H2b or G2b if doing this setup using a adapter kit http://www.quartersportsdrag.com/Kit_Contents.html to mate to a B series tranny for better gear ratio.  the reason why they called it a g23 is because your using a f23 block which is a 2.3L out of a accord single cam and using a h22 vtec head mated onto the f23 block which is G23 because in the alphabet, its "FGH" so they used the G cause its in between F and H in the alphabet.  theres also many ways on mix matching honda motors,  LSvtec which is a b18b or b18a non-vtec using a b16 vtec head which is like a non ported and cammed version of the b18c5 type R head and also can use b18c1 head off of a GSR integra vtec same with a later b20 which cam in the honda CRV.  but enough with the B series, where talking honda big block here! H and F series can be interchageable but im not sure if the s2k f series is, last i heard some guy in honda-tech.com was doing a k20 head onto a h22 block and made over 300 hp   

here is a web site on how they compared the G23 against the K24:

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp_0902_k24_vtec_versus_g23_vtec_tech_knowledge/index.html

ive heard of all motor h-series doing over 300+ which is insane
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: STUPID FAST on November 19, 2010, 01:35:45 PM
Hell i might just sell the 2zzge and build me a honda motor for the mr2 cause they're so much easier to make power
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 19, 2010, 06:05:36 PM
here is a web site on how they compared the G23 against the K24:

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp_0902_k24_vtec_versus_g23_vtec_tech_knowledge/index.html

Blane, you've gotta read this article :_order:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 19, 2010, 06:21:45 PM
Notice the torque/horsepower split.
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 19, 2010, 07:03:24 PM
 :huh: OWOWOWOWOWWow OK Chee the back up and go over the year and model of the engines ... baby steps for me sorry i will learn  :hammerhead: thanks for all of your info in advance :bowdown: keep it coming and soon the mg will be  :burnout: with the rest of the rice rocket's :eyebrow:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 19, 2010, 10:16:58 PM
Notice the torque/horsepower split.
That is all the marbles right there :smokin:

(http://image.importtuner.com/f/29782248+w750+st0/impp_0902_04_z+vtec_k_vs_f+dyno_chart.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 19, 2010, 10:52:22 PM
I plugged in some basic specs into CarTest, taking data from here (http://www.mgcars.org.uk/MGB/mgbspec.html). That site says the weight of the MGB is 2000 pounds, so I just went with the same number.

Using the red engine in the above dyno with a S2000 6-speed (F20C version).

Results using 13x50x225 tires:
0-60: 4.5 seconds
0-100: 10.4 secs
1/4 mile: 12.8 @ 114.7 MPH
Top Speed: 172 (redline limited)                 
Results using 13x40x225 tires:
0-60: 4.3 seconds
0-100: 10.1 secs
1/4 mile: 12.8 @ 112.4 MPH
Top Speed: 157 (redline limited)

The setup desperately needs a lower final drive. This wouldn't be that hard with the rear end in the FR configuration (using S2000 trans and rear axle). The stock 4.1:1 S2000 rear diff is waaaaaay too tall for this car. It needs at least like a 4.5:1 or maybe a 5:1 if you want to run 15" or 16" tires. With the 4.1:1, you'll be limited to 13" wheels pretty much. Also I have no idea if a 13x40x225 exists, I am just trying out some practical numbers.

Screen Shots:
1st pic is the car data I used
2nd pic is with the 50-series profile tires
3rd pic is with the 40-series profile tires
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 19, 2010, 11:14:58 PM
Some notes:

- Sorry I keep forgetting the year of the MGB, so I guessed on the 1972. :headscratch:
- It is likely that the actual car will have more than just 55%

Here is the same car running the B16A 5-speed transaxle in a mid-engine configuration.

I adjusted the tire size to match approximately the same redline top speed (for a more even comparison)

Results using 14x60x225 tires:
0-60: 4.2 seconds
0-100: 10.1 secs
1/4 mile: 12.6 @ 115.2 MPH
Top Speed: 172 (redline limited)                 
Results using 14x50x225 tires:
0-60: 4.1 seconds
0-100: 9.9 secs
1/4 mile: 12.6 @ 116.4 MPH
Top Speed: 159 (redline limited)

1st pic: Specs with 45% weigh over front axle (it's a mid engine now). Also not engine location difference.
2nd pic: 60-series tires
3rd pic: 50-series tires

The verdict:
So pretty much no matter what you do, if the car weighs around 2000 lbs and has 240 to 250 HP, you're gonna run mid to high 12s in the quarter. HOLY CRAP MAN!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 19, 2010, 11:37:39 PM
Hey Bevin,

Listen, this is what my car is doing stock right now. Even if you had just 200 HP -- ran the stock H22A engine -- you will SMOKE ME!! And I LOVE my car, it has enough power to get me in a LOT of trouble! It is a LOT of fun to drive in the mountains right now. Yes there is a lot more potential for my engine once I start modifying it, but honestly speaking, I have enough fun in the hills to keep my mind off of the measly 145 HP. :yesnod: :thumbs: I can't imagine how fast your car will be with 55 more HP and 400 pounds less weight. WOW :o :o :o

My Car Stock 145HP (14x60x195 tires)     
0-60: 7.2 seconds
0-100: 18.6 secs
1/4 mile: 15.3 @ 90.8 MPH
Top Speed: 136 (drag limited)
Time to Top Speed: 117.82 secs
Bevin's car with Stock H22A 200HP (14x50x225 tires)
0-60: 5.2 seconds
0-100: 11.6 secs
1/4 mile: 13.4 @ 116.4 MPH
Top Speed: 142 (redline limited)
Time to Top Speed: 25.14 secs

1st pic is the specs of my car right now as it sits outside my room
2nd pic is how my car performs on paper

3rd pic is the MGB with a 100% stock H22A with 5spd + mid-engine
4th pic is how this MGB performs on paper

And lastly, the 5th pic is a drag race between my car (Green), the MGB with a stock H22A 200 HP engine (Teal), and the MGB with the built G23 (249 HP). I super-imposed the resulting 1/4 mile results for comparison. The numbers to the left are occurring at the exact moment the G23-powered MGB hits 1/4 mile. Check out the G-force (acceleration) comparison! wow

Ask Chee if he thinks a 13 second street car with street tires is fast or not
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 20, 2010, 10:17:28 AM
My question is, does the block used bolt to any existing FR transmission? Or is it strictly FWD?
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 20, 2010, 11:50:39 AM
My question is, does the block used bolt to any existing FR transmission? Or is it strictly FWD?
Negative. AFAIK it will only mate to a FWD Prelude transaxle, that for some reason I don't know about, people don't like. So there is a company (see Chee's post) that makes an adapter to run an Integra transaxle with the Prelude engine.

As for a RWD, Bevin would need to get a Prelude bellhousing and a S2000 bellhousing and make a hybrid, or use a Toyota trany like a W55 or W58 from a Supra. I'm sure there are many other options (Miata trans?) and it's also possible to build a thin bellhousing adapter (like the ones Chee mentioned) depending on the length of the input shaft of whatever trany he goes with.
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 20, 2010, 12:16:40 PM
I wonder if KEP would make the proper adapter plate. I know they make adapters for just about everything to mate to a VW trans.
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 20, 2010, 05:52:12 PM
This is turning out to be a very nice little build :psss: this is great info.. :dunno: where to start cause i need the model and year of these parts :doh:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 20, 2010, 07:30:58 PM
You might consider one of the esier swaps for a FR set up. How about a Nissan SR20Det? Nissan Sylvia! The Toyota 3SGTE, parts are not too hard to find for a FR setup. The J-spec Altezza was powered by a dual VVT-i and produced 250 hp! N/A! Both the engines mentioned are very capable of 300 + hp with just tuning! Both engines also have high torque output! Maybe one of the newer V6's!? Lightweight, gobs of power, and relatively easy to get.
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 20, 2010, 07:48:18 PM
 :coffee: I will have to have some more ! start reading the rice burner hot rod mag :dunno: just one engine easy to get parts and easy to work on NO ISUZU!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 20, 2010, 07:52:05 PM
How about the Mazda 13B or 20B? The 20B is the 3 rotor. Or, if you sell a kidney and a lung, going with the 4 rotor  from SCOOT?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2URDUVExzNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2URDUVExzNo&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/v/2URDUVExzNo?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0&color1=0x2b405b&color2=0x6b8ab6
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 20, 2010, 08:05:12 PM
My favorite vid on the 4 rotor!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHqAiiPx3-c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHqAiiPx3-c)

http://www.youtube.com/v/bHqAiiPx3-c?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0&color1=0x2b405b&color2=0x6b8ab6
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 20, 2010, 11:25:03 PM
513 HP all motor

http://www.youtube.com/v/HWTULnclu6Y?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0&color1=0x2b405b&color2=0x6b8ab6
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 21, 2010, 09:02:07 AM
All I can muster on that 513 hp is a barely perceptable, gutteral, evil chuckle!
Bevin, ya got any of this white stuff at your place?
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 21, 2010, 08:29:15 PM
More 4 Rotor fun

http://www.youtube.com/v/S0pm0nlIYLs?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0&color1=0x2b405b&color2=0x6b8ab6
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 21, 2010, 08:34:53 PM
Did I start something here? How about the hayabusa V8?
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 21, 2010, 08:47:58 PM
Hayabusa flat plane V8!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pv8cptxmaI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pv8cptxmaI)

http://www.youtube.com/v/6Pv8cptxmaI?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0&color1=0x2b405b&color2=0x6b8ab6
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 21, 2010, 08:51:46 PM
Okay Bevin,

Here ya go

If these guys can do crazy builds like this, then so can you :best:

Here is a mid-engine Prelude conversion, this is an exact option you are considering:
http://www.preludeonline.com/f82/new-here-mid-engine-rwd-prelude-238311/
http://www.myspace.com/team_x_mpls

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/december1224/bir.jpg)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a227/mayseex/drift12.jpg)

Look ma, no engine:

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/december1224/4741438886_9630e7d8d3_b.jpg)



And here is some crazy wacko who swapped in a V8. Check out the work he did. You can do this type of work to the MGB and get a Prelude engine in there in a rear-wheel drive configuration :_order:

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1645997

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4454/83small1wy.jpg)

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8953/120small3fk.jpg)

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4835/121small6mj.jpg)

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5044/125small4tp.jpg)

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9809/136small7pc.jpg)

(http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/2870/168small6rj.jpg)

(http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9240/161small1xi.jpg)

Here is the rear independent suspension being built. I don't know what it is out of, you'll need to read the thread for the details...

(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3893/zarpictures0033010small6zn.jpg)

HOLY CRAP, I just discovered that thread is 32 pages long!!! Sheeeesh!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 22, 2010, 12:43:46 PM
Ok,

I found out the red prelude with the V8 conversion is using a RX7 rear suspension. Also, he abandoned the project and parted out the car. Dang that was a lot of work for nothing...
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 22, 2010, 07:20:14 PM
OK OK :yikes: after this you big mike will have to have yournhead examined THAY IS A TURBO!!!!!!.. :doh:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 22, 2010, 07:35:36 PM
yes Bill the Snow was not that substantial only left a trace and was gone. well thanks for all the :willynilly: over the top ideas  but when one drives a Cadillac with a vw pocket book he will soon be :outtahere: in a cell with :tantrum: Burnie Maidolf (SP) :rofl:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 22, 2010, 08:09:51 PM
Ok,

I found out the red prelude with the V8 conversion is using a RX7 rear suspension.

WOW BLANE, Check this out: http://www.solomiata.com/Drivetrain.html tons of Mazada drivetrain info!

Complete RX7 Rear end: Just do some fab work and weld it in place :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

(http://www.solomiata.com/images/TTRear.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 22, 2010, 08:11:54 PM
(http://www.solomiata.com/images/TTRear.jpg)

Yup, I think this is how you should do it. Get some sub-frame assembly like this that you can just retrofit under the MGB. The IFS will handle better, and you can still put in a limited slip and do some drifting :bowdown: :driving: :boobs: :burnout:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 22, 2010, 08:14:43 PM
Here is a Honda S2000 rear subframe: http://moose.ca/s2000-rear-suspension-subframe/ <---- more pictures

(http://moose.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/10221_157579244858_662509858_3527182_6497752_n.jpg)

(http://moose.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/10221_157579254858_662509858_3527183_1375821_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 22, 2010, 08:16:05 PM
This one is some sort of a custom Lotus 7 rear end with a Mazada Miata differential:

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_GWYdF_g9c_g/SDRgE5QLzBI/AAAAAAAAACQ/5LP8MgeLaAA/s640/Caution%20Miata%20Rear%20Subframe_0550.JPG)

If the image doesn't load, try this: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_GWYdF_g9c_g/SDRgE5QLzBI/AAAAAAAAACQ/5LP8MgeLaAA/s640/Caution%20Miata%20Rear%20Subframe_0550.JPG
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 22, 2010, 08:18:10 PM
Here is a Nissan 240SX rear subframe drop out:

(http://www.full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/old%20subframe.jpg)


Seriously, that doesn't look hard AT ALL to just drop under the rear of your MGB. The width of these are of course wider, so some modification will be required...
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 22, 2010, 08:19:48 PM
Here you go, a modified Jaguar XJ-6 rear subframe LOL

(http://www.erareplicas.com/427/img/erars1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 22, 2010, 08:20:20 PM
well guess you did"nt read my early post on subject! cash baby cash...
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 22, 2010, 08:23:13 PM
wonder wha tthe width on the 240sx is compaired to the stock mg??. :driving:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 22, 2010, 08:36:48 PM
I am going to look for a sub frame drop out like that very cool :love:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 22, 2010, 08:55:24 PM
Right? Let's hit the wrecking yard with a couple battery powered sawzaws on a half-off day and find something that will work for CHEAP!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 22, 2010, 10:00:13 PM
Wonder what the possibilities are as far as doing this with the FX
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 25, 2010, 02:30:56 PM
VTEC + Supercharger

(http://superfastminis.com/Gallery%20Files/LHARRISON/100_1297.JPG)
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 25, 2010, 02:31:13 PM
Wonder what the possibilities are as far as doing this with the FX

WOULDN'T THAT BE AWESOME? A FR FX!!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 25, 2010, 11:09:10 PM
Doesn't seem too far fetched!
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 27, 2010, 09:22:55 AM
 :whistle: Maybe someone that is school smart!  can do some solid works design on the mg\ fx and find out what works better :smack: :idea:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 27, 2010, 09:35:46 AM
VTEC + Supercharger

(http://superfastminis.com/Gallery%20Files/LHARRISON/100_1297.JPG)

This car is the bomb! can you feel the speed of this bad mamajama! just looking at it...
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 27, 2010, 11:04:00 AM
Where on earth can we find someone with school smarts?
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on November 27, 2010, 07:14:17 PM
:eye: :eye:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 27, 2010, 08:01:11 PM
You lookin' at me?
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on November 28, 2010, 07:27:24 PM
 :tantrum: All that school what's it good for? the poetry ...somting wong! :rofl:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on November 30, 2010, 02:51:39 PM
Got another engine to think about! The Mazda K series! Really quite small in stature! At 1.8 to 2.0 liters for a V6. Pretty high revving engine wit 143 to 167 hp and 116 to133 pounds of torque! The 1.8 had a red line somewhere north of 9000 rpm in some MX-3 models too! The 1.8 produced 143 hp @ 7000 rpm, and 116 lbs of torque @ 5500 rpm. The 2.0 was at167 hp @ 7000, and 133 lbs @ 5500 rpm. After the 2.0 liter the blocks started growing. The K series uses alloy block and head, with the block being a 2 piece split at the mains. 60 degree V6, narrow angle valves. Mazda used a VRIS, variable resonance intake system, using manifold accoustics to tune the intake to the engines RPM.  I've wanted one since I read about them years ago. I drove an MX-3 with one of the higher revving engines. I think the rev limiter never kicked in, I was shifting at around 9700 RPM! No need to go farther than that 'cause the power dropped sharply after 9000 RPM. Sounded awesome! Even with the factory intake system. Hmmmm, 9000 RPM V6 with ITB's? In your car Bevin? In an MR2?
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on December 08, 2010, 03:23:54 PM
If you wanna go Turbo with a crap load of power, Chee likes the 2-liter Turbo Mitsu engine. 210 HP stock, up the boost for 300 hp easy all on stock parts

(http://www.projectzerog.com/images/members/djpowerhaus/whiteCar/d50transOn4G63micro.jpg) (http://www.projectzerog.com/images/driftTruckMicro.jpg)

Here is a swap page for Chee's Stario (has good pics and info): http://www.projectzerog.com

Here is a 4G63 in a 1973 MG Spridget swap:

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2hi143m.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/v/9MC7sSaTT7E?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0

http://www.youtube.com/v/iGREwhuibyU?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: kdogae86 on December 18, 2010, 09:10:17 AM
hows he gonna close the hood?
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on December 18, 2010, 09:55:32 AM
I have that 4G62t in my garage. Came out of a Tredia. Get the trans out of a Mitsu pickup and you're set. Another idea is the 2.6 from a Starion. You might have access to one soon enough, if Chee gets his JZ. The 4G62t is a 1.8 liter with a decent output. I believe the stock output was 135 hp easily upgraded to about 160 with just intake aqnd exhaust mods.
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on December 18, 2010, 11:24:44 AM
I'll tell ya right now he doesn't want the Starion engine. He is looking for a simple high revving engine, not a big and brute large displacement motor.
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on December 18, 2010, 12:07:17 PM
I've been around guys that have the 2.6 spinning to 8,000 rpm! Sound like stock 4AGE revving.
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on December 18, 2010, 12:27:01 PM
The 4G62 is rev happy once the turbo kicks in. Really only suggested the two engines above due to the possible ease of availability on the 2.6, and the one in my garage is available now. And if Bevin went with the 4G62, the switch to a 4G63 is almost a drop in change, uses the same mounting points. Minor changes in the wiring. Minor exhaust possible. I don't really want anything for the engine. I think I still have all the parts too. The turbo still turns freely. Just tring to help out.  It's alway easier when parts are available and cheap.
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on December 19, 2010, 11:36:44 AM
HAY THIS THREAD IS OFF TRACK! :snare: :tantrum: Cheap affordable yes SETTLE HELL NO! 1.8 suck it. Big Mike has one AND its BLOWN.... want to start with an engine that is n/a 200HP  i am going to do one engine swap! and then let ALL others will work to get there. THEN i can afford the blower  :eyebrow: :deal:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on December 19, 2010, 12:38:56 PM
Ok. geezhe just trying to help. no need to bite my head off. :dunno:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BryanH on December 19, 2010, 10:46:14 PM
I thought the car was getting an F20C.  No?  I think it's worth it if you can swing it.  What a motor (and transmission).
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on December 21, 2010, 06:20:23 AM
Now Now no biting sorry just want to do the right build  :rivers: guess dreaming's not to bad... I will try to be more possitive about feed back  :therethere: :whistle:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on December 23, 2010, 09:40:47 PM
I was looking on line and found the acura motor is front of the engine on passenger side! does this meen that it spins the other way? anyone have a clue.. the Honda is on the driverside.. :dunno:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Sirdeuce on December 24, 2010, 02:03:34 PM
As far as I remember, all the Honda engines spin counterclockwise. But who knows, maybe they got one right.
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BryanH on December 24, 2010, 03:45:54 PM
This thread may be relevant to your interests... :)

http://hondaswap.com/general-tech-maintenance/some-engines-turn-counterclockwise-46572/
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on December 24, 2010, 04:41:13 PM
Thanx Bryan this has been a full time job you know how it works the second you buy one you find one for half! :smack: :smack: enough to make me  :puke:
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on December 24, 2010, 10:08:28 PM
Quote
The K series engines in the RSX, TSX and S2000 (F20C) spin clockwise.

So that guy is saying the K20 spins CW. stupidfast, is this true?
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on December 25, 2010, 04:39:46 PM
Very nice the k series are very avai :crossed: lible still first choice would be the F20 for  :smokin: sure
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on December 25, 2010, 09:58:54 PM
still first choice would be the F20 for  :smokin: sure

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Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: Blane525 on January 29, 2011, 04:38:23 PM
that's a great pic BM did you take it at the queer  :gay:  parade..
Title: Re: Bevin's MGB Motivational Thread
Post by: BigMike on January 30, 2011, 09:05:55 PM
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